duck exp?

[Elrojo]

here i was thinking that duck-exp was a useless IP line and have never raised it, not realising shot guns check against it . For an advy is it ESSENTIAL to MAX or just put a bit in there since Doc's and Traders dont have huge AR? If its "just a bit" about what stat should i have with it? My other evades are about 1900 (yeh yeh omgz gimp) static should i be around 1000, 1300, 1600 or 1900? Keeping in mind i see a trader/doc i run away fast.

I'm kinda running out of IP is all and i'm 220 so i'm not likely to get any more anytime soon

[Rulzern]

Raise it as much as you can after you have raised everything else you need? :p

[Alphacenta]

If you're only doing BS to get your VP, whereafter you will spend your life killing mobs happily ever after: IP duck to 1k (without perks up), that should avoid most chain critting.

If you're going to plan on doing pvp for longer than just to get your VP, max Duck for sure.

I went with the first route personally, and I do pretty good in most situations, but there are times I REALLY regret not maxing it. So when I get to do my final twink, I'll be sure to max Duck.

Things you avoid by maxing Duck:

- (stun)perks from traders
- less chance for shotty docs/crats/traders to land procs
- Martial Arts attacks like Flower of Life or BBCS - first is an AAD drain, that MAs use prior to perking you. Second is a stun and initdebuff. And of course there's various other MA attacks that hurt.
- Engineer Demolitions nanodrain perk. This is the biggest reason I'm maxing it, since good engineers have swift buttsecks with my agent as it is now.

And very likely there are much more things that I didn't think of now.

[Hyde]

If you're only doing BS to get your VP, whereafter you will spend your life killing mobs happily ever after: IP duck to 1k (without perks up), that should avoid most chain critting.

If you're going to plan on doing pvp for longer than just to get your VP, max Duck for sure.

A good argument for holding off on doing your IPR until after you've done enough BS to get the gear you want, too, unless you plan to do BS alot even after you have your gear.

[Elrojo]

ty for info. I dont know yet if i will do BS after i farm my VP. Not even sure if i can be bothered farming the last 36K for my ring and mongoose. Clan is way too frustrating in BS to bother with i think. Forget the 180K i need for tokens Ppl reckon its only a 24 hr farm for 108 bags of tokens. THat'll be quicker than 360 BS runs

[noobas]

Hay rojo

I dunno if this will helop you or not.. but here goes:

Don't do BS for VP!


hmm, ok that pretty much covers it.

I know it's hard to understand that when you feel like you need this piece of armour, or that piece of armour or this and that and all this or whatever.

I know that BS sucks sometimes, and honestly, it's way better to get pissed at FC over shitty drop rates than annoyed at your fellow clanners.

Hence, if you need armour, make some raids, and buy some strong bots and make an armour sleeve, or pants. Do a round of DB. get someother pants, or sleeve.

Do BS once in a while when those other things arn't workin for ya... hmm, lets see if this makes sense:

1 Round of DB = 3 piece armour other phatz. (decent armour)
1 round of BS = (best case 1076 VP) worst case 12 or so VP (like 5% of the way to decent armour)
1 raid = 2 chance at bots (best case scenario a 350m bot or strong bots that you can make 300 armour from then youre half way to a sick ass piece of gear), worst case (no bots, still got AXP)

Hmm, so you see, if you want armour, and youre not too fussy, DB is a good way to go.
If youre patient, or you really want VP, you have to do BS, but it's still annoying.
Obviously the way to go here is raiding. Because you'll have to raid at some point to get your end game armour and your end game AXP perks. Which begs teh question, when you going to start raiding?

[Elrojo]

Ha ha noobas, I HAVE to get VP to get my mongoose at the very least so that would be at least 3K more VP. I have the 300 CM chest already but hund reckoned to sell it and use the OFAB. I'm pretty sure that farming token guns will be quicker than farming VP for the tokens so i think i'll resign myself to "tab, Q, afk" in avalon.

I'm very patient btw.

I have started to blitz for types. I've been quite lucky. THe best way i see is to have about 3 hrs and 3 teams going. They all have roller and blitzer. Join a raid bot and share types amongst each other. Dhelle, hanz, myself and Mop did that the other night and i got 4 x type 18 and 2 x type 295, dhelle got one type 935 and some 812's dropped for Mop. So its was a pretty good couple of hours. I also get about 30 VP every 10 mins that way cos you always get like 4 alium thingos drop off boss to turn in for VP so its pretty good on the VP for sure.

I did one sec 42 farm but we phail. Am AI11 now ftw so starting to get that going. Cant do solo raids yet, dont really have all that many CRU and also dont have the required org rank. But joined a raid with Mami, rulzie and Soul and got some ql 300 stuff to start to put together the alium armour.

AM down on DB quest list as you know so can start to do DB more often. Still no dice on Alb farming. I dont seem to be in the "required profession" list so its hard to get a team. I dont offer super DD, mezzes or high level heals so i guess unless there is a Doc, soldi, MA, Shade and Crat desperate to fill that 6th spot its not great odds, but i'm patient.

[Alphacenta]

Advs can be great in alb, but 90% of 'em are melee.. And keep in mind 90% of the peoples kite in Alb, so a melee toon isn't really an asset to the team. =/

As for those last 3k VP, bug me when you wanna go and let's show those omnis who owns the BS.

[Hundfu]

Yah, if you want attack rating, and are short on creds .. Use ofab chest, and ofab sleeves ..

Chest= 35 1he
Sleeve= 35 1he
Sleeve= 35 1he

= 105 1he .. Even more that is on the AI armor .. lol !

But if you do got the creds, get full CM/CC

So if you gona PVP, I wreckon full AR setup .. In other words, full armor of 1he ..

I wasn't to rich myself, when I started to think about my Attack rating ..

I used:
CM Helm
CM Legs
CM Boots
Silken LegChopper Gloves
Ofab Chest
Ofab Sleeves x2

That's a pretty decent Attack rating setup, if you're short on creds ..

[Rulzern]

CM = 30 1he
CC = 30 1he + 15 AAO

But yeah, CM is el cheapo compared to CC.

[noobas]

Unfortunately, nothing with strong bots in it is "el cheapo" atm.

With melee classes getting a "boost" next expansion pack, and the lack of people raiding (doing APF farms instead) strong bots are selling for record high's... Good luck getting 193+ strong for under 150m

Or 240+ enduring for under 100m

So elcheapo? na, about half what CC costs.

REgardless of bot prices, it still helps to be raiding. Once you got your DB keys, you'll be in a good position.

Don't let anyone talk yyou out of alb. I have farmed alb on nooba for so many hours it would make your head spin. The only mob you won't be as good at others on is the keeper. So just let the sold take agg. they willanyway. Everyone needs support heals too.

[Rulzern]

So elcheapo? na, about half what CC costs.

That is el cheapo, compared to CC... which is what I was comparing it to...

When you're talking about armor that you could end up spending a year or two making the money for, the cheap option is the one you spend half a year farming for, the one you spend 10 minutes farming for is the free option.

[Hundfu]

Well the point was if you don't have alot of creds, CM is perfect ..

I still use CM .. Well, mostly because I hate PvP ..

I could buy atleast 6 sets of 300 CC, if I wanted to .. But No thx .. ! CM ftW .. !

[Elrojo]

I decided to spend my VP on mongoose. I think that i'm not going to be doing PvP on my advy really. I expect for him to be a phatz machine the fund other twinks that can be made in the future for PvP if i feel like it.

CM will be my goal for most slots cept i have ofab for sleeves atm

[Hundfu]

You should rather use CM sleeves, than CM Chest ..

theres alot of advs of who use full CC/CM, but not chest .. But ofab chest instead ..